NezukoMikasa said: By your definition, they're both clichés. Thought you hated them. You're just using a double standard to unfairly rate one significantly higher.Even if I was rating anime based on originality and breaking away from cliches, Sonny Boy is not that different from even Kanojo no Kanojo in this respect. All of its episodes don’t bring anything new to the table and are all reused cliches from different literary works. The difference is that Kanojo no Kanojo uses romance anime/manga cliches, while Sonny Boy uses academic cliches about human behavior and society. NezukoMikasa said: What I meant about the art style being like a painting was that it felt very hand drawn and with the amount of detail like it should be in a gallery instead. I don’t hate the art on its own, but I hate it in the context of anime. I would definitely not compare this quality of animation to Kanojo no Kanojo. The best example of the terrible animation of Sony Boy is the episode about the dogs backstory. There is a scene where the dog runs towards a character and it feels so awkward and unnaturally done. It’s like the creators want it to feel immersive, but fail because the art style and rigid drawings inhibit its capabilities. Sometimes simpler is better. In Kanojo no Kanojo, some running animations are just repeating frames with little doodles to indicate running, but it works becaus that is not the focus of the scene. A lot of times in Sonny Boy the characters don’t say anything, but just interact with others or the world around them. Hence, the animations have to carry the scene and should be at a much higher caliber to do so in order to keep the viewer interested and engaged with the scene and story of the show as a whole. Oh boy, you would not like other cult classics that have awkward, but memorable and unique animation like Ping Pong, Tatami Galaxy, etc. It does not mean the animation quality is inherently bad, it's just different and not the way you're used to. NezukoMikasa said: Now this is the post that signifies that you're just hating the show for the sake of hating it. I feel the opposite, and as others too, the lack of OSTs every minute makes some scenes a lot more impactful and memorable. Take a look at Sonny Boy's OST; it's so clean, there's no "filler" music that you realistically just skip, and often plagues an anime's OST.Also, I listened to it quickly and the songs are really quiet, which is probably why I never even noticed it. Thank god it is quiet tho bc they are not doing the show any favors. I probably would have rated the show even lower if I could hear these songs while I was watching. But yeah this anime is clearly not for you; why are you even trying to watch 10 episodes of it? The first episode is more than enough to make your decision. With a name such as NezukoMikasa, having favorites like Demon Slayer and High School DxD, while also rating Kanojo mo Kanojo a 9. This is clearly not your cup of tea. |
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| Man, that argument is annoying. Yes, I don't get it. And I'm not interested in getting it. And the show doesn't bother trying to make me interested in getting it. That's why I think it's bad. It's not my job as a watcher to get hooked on a story, the writer is the one tasked with presenting a compelling premise. For that reason, they have to maintain a certain middle ground between spoon feeding us info and giving us nothing at all. And Sonny Boy does not achieve that middle ground. I find it funny how you put down simpler anime for "bad writing", when Sonny Boy is arguably just as guilty. Just because it's different, doesn't mean it's good. Most of the time, writing a story means you follow a formula. You can try to do something different, but it's difficult and rare that those types of shows get big. And that's because following the preexisting formula works. Throwing around a bunch scientific, quantum physics bs, and leaving everything up to the reader's interpretation is not good writing. It takes effort to actually make a story make sense, build rules for the world, organize events in a chronology that builds suspense properly. To me, when a story doesn't bother with that, and the characters aren't compelling or memorable enough, it doesn't make me want to fill in the blanks. I just see it as the writers taking shortcuts. The entire 11th episode was a character talking about things that happened to him. How is that good? Not following basic rules like "show don't tell" doesn't make the show innovative, it makes it boring. I was really interested in Sonny Boy when it started, but with mysteries and strange premises, it is detrimental that as it continues, things start to get clearer, not the other way around. That's why it flopped. I was expecting something better, and I was expecting some actual payoff for paying attention, but that never happened. This can't even compare to something like Odd Taxi where you are rewarded because all the little details end up being part of the narrative. That's why this anime is hard to watch; it's underwhelming. When the primary purpose of a medium is entertainment, I can't understand the hype around the shows that don't bother making it fun and interesting for the watcher. You can't just have thought provoking ideas without an interesting story, a good anime should have both. That's what I think at least. People like different things. I don't care whether like/dislike this show, and you shouldn't either. It obviously wasn't made for everyone so this is normal. |
korix_Sep 27, 2021 4:55 AM
korix_ said: Man, that argument is annoying. Yes, I don't get it. And I'm not interested in getting it. And the show doesn't bother trying to make me interested in getting it. That's why I think it's bad. It's not my job as a watcher to get hooked on a story, the writer is the one tasked with presenting a compelling premise. For that reason, they have to maintain a certain middle ground between spoon feeding us info and giving us nothing at all. And Sonny Boy does not achieve that middle ground. I find it funny how you put down simpler anime for "bad writing", when Sonny Boy is arguably just as guilty. Just because it's different, doesn't mean it's good. Most of the time, writing a story means you follow a formula. You can try to do something different, but it's difficult and rare that those types of shows get big. And that's because following the preexisting formula works. Throwing around a bunch scientific, quantum physics bs, and leaving everything up to the reader's interpretation is not good writing. It takes effort to actually make a story make sense, build rules for the world, organize events in a chronology that builds suspense properly. To me, when a story doesn't bother with that, and the characters aren't compelling or memorable enough, it doesn't make me want to fill in the blanks. I just see it as the writers taking shortcuts. The entire 11th episode was a character talking about things that happened to him. How is that good? Not following basic rules like "show don't tell" doesn't make the show innovative, it makes it boring. I was really interested in Sonny Boy when it started, but with mysteries and strange premises, it is detrimental that as it continues, things start to get clearer, not the other way around. That's why it flopped. I was expecting something better, and I was expecting some actual payoff for paying attention, but that never happened. This can't even compare to something like Odd Taxi where you are rewarded because all the little details end up being part of the narrative. That's why this anime is hard to watch; it's underwhelming. When the primary purpose of a medium is entertainment, I can't understand the hype around the shows that don't bother making it fun and interesting for the watcher. You can't just have thought provoking ideas without an interesting story, a good anime should have both. That's what I think at least. People like different things. I don't care whether like/dislike this show, and you shouldn't either. It obviously wasn't made for everyone so this is normal. You view Sonny Boy in a wrong lens. Sonny Boy isn't about the mystery of the drift. It isn't like your typical mystery where there are set and rigid rules, and where the big payoff is unraveling the mystery little by little. Sonny Boy's "This World" is more of a backdrop to what is ultimately a coming of age story presented in a surrealist manner. Nothing really close can compare to it, maybe other than Penguin Highway's fourth quarter of its movie. For example, you bring up the 11th episode. If we view it in a typical mystery lens, then what the guy said is worthless. It doesn't really explain anything, it's just a guy talking about his travels. Well, if we put it in perspective that it is a coming of age story... Maybe you're not enjoying it because you're looking at it the wrong way. |
ToraiSSep 27, 2021 9:53 AM
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ToraiS said: korix_ said: Man, that argument is annoying. Yes, I don't get it. And I'm not interested in getting it. And the show doesn't bother trying to make me interested in getting it. That's why I think it's bad. It's not my job as a watcher to get hooked on a story, the writer is the one tasked with presenting a compelling premise. For that reason, they have to maintain a certain middle ground between spoon feeding us info and giving us nothing at all. And Sonny Boy does not achieve that middle ground. I find it funny how you put down simpler anime for "bad writing", when Sonny Boy is arguably just as guilty. Just because it's different, doesn't mean it's good. Most of the time, writing a story means you follow a formula. You can try to do something different, but it's difficult and rare that those types of shows get big. And that's because following the preexisting formula works. Throwing around a bunch scientific, quantum physics bs, and leaving everything up to the reader's interpretation is not good writing. It takes effort to actually make a story make sense, build rules for the world, organize events in a chronology that builds suspense properly. To me, when a story doesn't bother with that, and the characters aren't compelling or memorable enough, it doesn't make me want to fill in the blanks. I just see it as the writers taking shortcuts. The entire 11th episode was a character talking about things that happened to him. How is that good? Not following basic rules like "show don't tell" doesn't make the show innovative, it makes it boring. I was really interested in Sonny Boy when it started, but with mysteries and strange premises, it is detrimental that as it continues, things start to get clearer, not the other way around. That's why it flopped. I was expecting something better, and I was expecting some actual payoff for paying attention, but that never happened. This can't even compare to something like Odd Taxi where you are rewarded because all the little details end up being part of the narrative. That's why this anime is hard to watch; it's underwhelming. When the primary purpose of a medium is entertainment, I can't understand the hype around the shows that don't bother making it fun and interesting for the watcher. You can't just have thought provoking ideas without an interesting story, a good anime should have both. That's what I think at least. People like different things. I don't care whether like/dislike this show, and you shouldn't either. It obviously wasn't made for everyone so this is normal. You view Sonny Boy in a wrong lens. Sonny Boy isn't about the mystery of the drift. It isn't like your typical mystery where there are set and rigid rules, and where the big payoff is unraveling the mystery little by little. Sonny Boy's "This World" is more of a backdrop to what is ultimately a coming of age story presented in a surrealist manner. Nothing really close can compare to it, maybe other than Penguin Highway's fourth quarter of its movie. Ah, yes. I don't agree with you so I must be looking at it wrong. You can go ahead and overlook plot elements just because a show is "deep" and "unconventional". But to me, it's a massive drawback. If you wanna introduce something into the story and then tell me it doesn't matter, then don't put it there to begin with. Otherwise, I have the right to criticize the shoddy execution. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against making the backdrop to the show surrealist nonsense when an anime still maintains it's entertainment value and has good characters. I just don't think Sonny Boy is up to par. And even if I tried to judge it as a coming of age story, it still barely gets a pass. The characters are bland and hard to relate to. They barely do anything interesting the entire show. There are no moments that invoke emotions and get you invested. So really, even if we ignore the backdrop, the front is still not that great. For example, you bring up the 11th episode. If we view it in a typical mystery lens, then what the guy said is worthless. It doesn't really explain anything, it's just a guy talking about his travels. Well, if we put it in perspective that it is a coming of age story... Maybe you're not enjoying it because you're looking at it the wrong way. Nice strawman. My issue with the 11th episode was the boring presentation. When you make a character tell you things monotonously instead of letting the viewers experience it along with them, that's just bad writing. I said nothing about the content. |
ToraiS said: korix_ said: Man, that argument is annoying. Yes, I don't get it. And I'm not interested in getting it. And the show doesn't bother trying to make me interested in getting it. That's why I think it's bad. It's not my job as a watcher to get hooked on a story, the writer is the one tasked with presenting a compelling premise. For that reason, they have to maintain a certain middle ground between spoon feeding us info and giving us nothing at all. And Sonny Boy does not achieve that middle ground. I find it funny how you put down simpler anime for "bad writing", when Sonny Boy is arguably just as guilty. Just because it's different, doesn't mean it's good. Most of the time, writing a story means you follow a formula. You can try to do something different, but it's difficult and rare that those types of shows get big. And that's because following the preexisting formula works. Throwing around a bunch scientific, quantum physics bs, and leaving everything up to the reader's interpretation is not good writing. It takes effort to actually make a story make sense, build rules for the world, organize events in a chronology that builds suspense properly. To me, when a story doesn't bother with that, and the characters aren't compelling or memorable enough, it doesn't make me want to fill in the blanks. I just see it as the writers taking shortcuts. The entire 11th episode was a character talking about things that happened to him. How is that good? Not following basic rules like "show don't tell" doesn't make the show innovative, it makes it boring. I was really interested in Sonny Boy when it started, but with mysteries and strange premises, it is detrimental that as it continues, things start to get clearer, not the other way around. That's why it flopped. I was expecting something better, and I was expecting some actual payoff for paying attention, but that never happened. This can't even compare to something like Odd Taxi where you are rewarded because all the little details end up being part of the narrative. That's why this anime is hard to watch; it's underwhelming. When the primary purpose of a medium is entertainment, I can't understand the hype around the shows that don't bother making it fun and interesting for the watcher. You can't just have thought provoking ideas without an interesting story, a good anime should have both. That's what I think at least. People like different things. I don't care whether like/dislike this show, and you shouldn't either. It obviously wasn't made for everyone so this is normal. You view Sonny Boy in a wrong lens. Sonny Boy isn't about the mystery of the drift. It isn't like your typical mystery where there are set and rigid rules, and where the big payoff is unraveling the mystery little by little. Sonny Boy's "This World" is more of a backdrop to what is ultimately a coming of age story presented in a surrealist manner. Nothing really close can compare to it, maybe other than Penguin Highway's fourth quarter of its movie. For example, you bring up the 11th episode. If we view it in a typical mystery lens, then what the guy said is worthless. It doesn't really explain anything, it's just a guy talking about his travels. Well, if we put it in perspective that it is a coming of age story... Maybe you're not enjoying it because you're looking at it the wrong way. Ah the classic "you don't get it because you're watching it wrong". Well that statement isn't always wrong and might work in some pretty dumb cases. But Sonny Boy feels like it has no identity and doesn't really know what it actually wants to become. So there's no "correct way" to watch it and it's mostly gonna depend on individual interpretations. I will give you that Sonny boy does try to portray some interesting themes every now and then. But it does so in such a bland, boring and unnecessarily complex manner that it pretty much loses it's original value. It's actually hilarious how most of the defense I see here is like "you don't get it", "you're watching it wrong", "you have bad taste" as if one cannot dislike it while also understanding everything about this anime. And I'm saying all of these as one of those people who were pretty hyped up about the show when it first started airing. |
XAWAD said: ToraiS said: You view Sonny Boy in a wrong lens. Sonny Boy isn't about the mystery of the drift. It isn't like your typical mystery where there are set and rigid rules, and where the big payoff is unraveling the mystery little by little. Sonny Boy's "This World" is more of a backdrop to what is ultimately a coming of age story presented in a surrealist manner. Nothing really close can compare to it, maybe other than Penguin Highway's fourth quarter of its movie. For example, you bring up the 11th episode. If we view it in a typical mystery lens, then what the guy said is worthless. It doesn't really explain anything, it's just a guy talking about his travels. Well, if we put it in perspective that it is a coming of age story... Maybe you're not enjoying it because you're looking at it the wrong way. Ah the classic "you don't get it because you're watching it wrong". Well that statement isn't always wrong and might work in some pretty dumb cases. But Sonny Boy feels like it has no identity and doesn't really know what it actually wants to become. So there's no "correct way" to watch it and it's mostly gonna depend on individual interpretations. I will give you that Sonny boy does try to portray some interesting themes every now and then. But it does so in such a bland, boring and unnecessarily complex manner that it pretty much loses it's original value. It's actually hilarious how most of the defense I see here is like "you don't get it", "you're watching it wrong", "you have bad taste" as if one cannot dislike it while also understanding everything about this anime. And I'm saying all of these as one of those people who were pretty hyped up about the show when it first started airing. It's not really an excuse. I think it's pretty understandable that there are some media that you have to approach differently, be it some music, movies, games or anime. For example, I don't barge in some iyashikei coming from other slice-of-life with actual plot and saying, "oh wow, nothing is happening!", even though they're both of the same genre. If you approach an iyashikei if it were Mushishi or Fruits Basket, you'd be sorely mistaken. The same way that if you'd approach Sonny Boy as a mystery like Odd Taxi or Umineko, you're always gonna be disappointed. So it's pretty important to judge what something is, rather than something that it is not. |
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korix_ said: I don't know about you but the turning point of Sonny Boy was episode 6 and is one of its best episodes by execution. Others think it was great, you think it's bad. Let's leave it to that.ToraiS said: You view Sonny Boy in a wrong lens. Sonny Boy isn't about the mystery of the drift. It isn't like your typical mystery where there are set and rigid rules, and where the big payoff is unraveling the mystery little by little. Sonny Boy's "This World" is more of a backdrop to what is ultimately a coming of age story presented in a surrealist manner. Nothing really close can compare to it, maybe other than Penguin Highway's fourth quarter of its movie. Ah, yes. I don't agree with you so I must be looking at it wrong. You can go ahead and overlook plot elements just because a show is "deep" and "unconventional". But to me, it's a massive drawback. If you wanna introduce something into the story and then tell me it doesn't matter, then don't put it there to begin with. Otherwise, I have the right to criticize the shoddy execution. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against making the backdrop to the show surrealist nonsense when an anime still maintains it's entertainment value and has good characters. I just don't think Sonny Boy is up to par. And even if I tried to judge it as a coming of age story, it still barely gets a pass. The characters are bland and hard to relate to. They barely do anything interesting the entire show. There are no moments that invoke emotions and get you invested. So really, even if we ignore the backdrop, the front is still not that great. For example, you bring up the 11th episode. If we view it in a typical mystery lens, then what the guy said is worthless. It doesn't really explain anything, it's just a guy talking about his travels. Well, if we put it in perspective that it is a coming of age story... Maybe you're not enjoying it because you're looking at it the wrong way. Nice strawman. My issue with the 11th episode was the boring presentation. When you make a character tell you things monotonously instead of letting the viewers experience it along with them, that's just bad writing. I said nothing about the content. For the character development, its extremely subtle but its there. You have a very pessimistic type of perspective even though the anime has demonstrated quite well that the characters have grown and changed. Especially Nagara. Though I won't force you to be invested. I''m just saying that you're just viewing it unfairly. Episode 11's two stories were more akin to catching up to an old friend. Sure, it would be nice to have an audiovisual presentation but... |
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ToraiS said: XAWAD said: Ah the classic "you don't get it because you're watching it wrong". Well that statement isn't always wrong and might work in some pretty dumb cases. But Sonny Boy feels like it has no identity and doesn't really know what it actually wants to become. So there's no "correct way" to watch it and it's mostly gonna depend on individual interpretations. I will give you that Sonny boy does try to portray some interesting themes every now and then. But it does so in such a bland, boring and unnecessarily complex manner that it pretty much loses it's original value. It's actually hilarious how most of the defense I see here is like "you don't get it", "you're watching it wrong", "you have bad taste" as if one cannot dislike it while also understanding everything about this anime. And I'm saying all of these as one of those people who were pretty hyped up about the show when it first started airing. It's not really an excuse. I think it's pretty understandable that there are some media that you have to approach differently, be it some music, movies, games or anime. For example, I don't barge in some iyashikei coming from other slice-of-life with actual plot and saying, "oh wow, nothing is happening!", even though they're both of the same genre. If you approach an iyashikei if it were Mushishi or Fruits Basket, you'd be sorely mistaken. The same way that if you'd approach Sonny Boy as a mystery like Odd Taxi or Umineko, you're always gonna be disappointed. So it's pretty important to judge what something is, rather than something that it is not. Please read my previous reply properly. I did say you weren't entirely wrong. But that term is still super vague and misleading most of the time. People don't always generalize every new anime to some singular genre or standalone anime they previously experienced and then criticize it for such petty reasons. If that were the case then anime/manga like Re:zero, Berserk, Chainsaw man or even HxH etc wouldn't have become as critically acclaimed as it is today. All of these I have mentioned pretty much turns itself upside down by the end of it, widely subverting the initial expectations and genres it actually stands for. If what you said were 100% true then diversity in entertainment wouldn't have existed. So no, I don't think you need a guide on "How to watch anime the right way" and I hope you realize how dumb that sounds. I don't know what kind of people you hang out with on the Internet but people aren't always as dumb as you think. You completely go off topic every single time and explain things in a manner like you're teaching "ABCD" to a college graduate. In another reply you said "others found it great" which is a hilarious way to generalize the issue. Did you also know that there's a lot of people who think that SAO is great? I don't want to prolong this conversation if it's not getting us anywhere. Also the term you were actually looking for isn't some arrogant statement like "you watch it wrong" but more like "be more open minded and willing to accept it for what it is". I'm not saying Sonny boy is bad and it's great that you had a much better experience than some of us. But that doesn't mean everyone not enjoying it as much is sub 20 IQ like this thread or some of the toxic fanboys trying to make it seem. I will at least thank you for being civil throughout all the discussions unlike some of the other individuals here |
XAWADSep 27, 2021 10:22 PM
ToraiS said: korix_ said: I don't know about you but the turning point of Sonny Boy was episode 6 and is one of its best episodes by execution. Others think it was great, you think it's bad. Let's leave it to that.Ah, yes. I don't agree with you so I must be looking at it wrong. You can go ahead and overlook plot elements just because a show is "deep" and "unconventional". But to me, it's a massive drawback. If you wanna introduce something into the story and then tell me it doesn't matter, then don't put it there to begin with. Otherwise, I have the right to criticize the shoddy execution. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against making the backdrop to the show surrealist nonsense when an anime still maintains it's entertainment value and has good characters. I just don't think Sonny Boy is up to par. And even if I tried to judge it as a coming of age story, it still barely gets a pass. The characters are bland and hard to relate to. They barely do anything interesting the entire show. There are no moments that invoke emotions and get you invested. So really, even if we ignore the backdrop, the front is still not that great. Nice strawman. My issue with the 11th episode was the boring presentation. When you make a character tell you things monotonously instead of letting the viewers experience it along with them, that's just bad writing. I said nothing about the content. For the character development, its extremely subtle but its there. You have a very pessimistic type of perspective even though the anime has demonstrated quite well that the characters have grown and changed. Especially Nagara. Though I won't force you to be invested. I''m just saying that you're just viewing it unfairly. Episode 11's two stories were more akin to catching up to an old friend. Sure, it would be nice to have an audiovisual presentation but... I'm assuming this is a response to me saying the characters are bland? Idk man, it feels like you're going on tangents and listing stuff you like. Anyway, I'll try to elaborate. Yes, character arcs exist in this show. My actual issue was with their foundation. They really don't have much personality outside of their set tropes. Mizuhou is an exception; I'll give you that. That's because the show gives her a lot of spotlight, but the others don't get nearly as much development. You can probably sum up their personalities in a few words. Nagara is the pushover. Nozomi is a classic pixie dream girl. Raj is the "smart guy". Even if they change, they're still way too simple. The impersonal vibe of the show and how it jumps between characters so much makes it hard to connect with any of them. To me, a good character would have more layers and complexities. There were some characters who seemed interesting at the start the show, but with everything going on, they really fade into the background. For instance, Asa and Hoshi stood out the first few episodes. That's because they're very active characters, and it feels like they have their own thoughts and agendas. The show could have utilized them more. With 12 episode shows, it's better if they focus on a smaller group of characters. This also goes back to the episode 11 thing, Rajdhani should have gotten his own episode where we got to experience the adventures with him. As a separate thing. I don't see how that downplays the other events and Nozomi's death. |
| This thread is pointless. Some people will love this show and analyze it to death. Some people will hate it and call it "pretentious". That's what happens with every unconventional show or movie out there. It's natural. However, I'll have to call out some people here. Saying it's an instant masterpiece when the show hasn't even ended yet or claiming it's nonsensical garbage that will be forgot as soon as it ends is reckless (especially the latter one, which is and incredibly ignorant statement). Only time will tell. I'll have to point out though: Some people in this thread seem to be genuiely offended by the fact that they couldn't follow the show properly and, instead of dropping it and moving to something they like and enjoy, resort to call it "garbage, poorly written, terribly presented, nonsensical". Really? I get that you have the right to negatively speak about Sonny Boy, but what is the point of simply complaining about it without establishing any constructive criticism? |
| "No one hates anime more than the anime community, which is composed of some of the most spoiled, immature, pessimist and ungrateful people on Earth." -Anonymous anime watcher |
ToraiS said: Nope, your response still doesn't prove that your analogy was accurate, even if you call it "bullshit". I'm ignoring whatever your point was, because it won't be valid unless you prove your analogy to be accurate which is not. Proving if you can say something is pretentious without understanding it is the foundation of this argument, and not if symbolism (which is completely subjective) is inherently meaningless. It doesn't prove it? or you don't want to acknowledge it because it goes against your own narrative? Oh don't answer it, the obvious answer is the latter. The tale of the emperor's new clothes fits in because the little boy is calling out the BS of the emperor and the sheep subdits that fall for the taylors' scheme that not only allows them to steal the riches of the country but also to make all of them look like gullible fools. You claimed in your previous response that "allegedly" people that call shows like these pretentious, are the actual pretentious people, but you didn't provide any reasoning for that other than "because I say so". People like me that call out works like these that have no actual message and it all boils down to "subjective" interpretation because there is no actual deeper meaning coming from the author. People like me are playing the role of the little kid that are not afraid to call out bullshit on artsy imagery that has no message from it's creator other than being pretty for the sake of looking more deep or thought provoking than they really are, aka being pretentious. ToraiS said: I'm ignoring whatever your point was, because it won't be valid unless you prove your analogy to be accurate which is not. You've been ignoring whatever reasoning me and others have thrown out to call out your BS. You obviously won't acknowledge us because you're too inmersed in your own bubble. Maybe you're not enjoying it because you're looking at it the wrong way. The oldest phrase that has been around since the days of EVA with fans trying to block any criticism towards the series by using a strawman. Hmm... |
KimurahSep 28, 2021 11:05 PM
| idk man, this anime is boring as hell. Man, this is the first time that I even sped up the episode just to watch it. |
 I hope no one I know irl sees my secret account~ Anyways, do I look cute in this outfit?~ |
| i don't think it's bad because i don't get it. that's not an issue at all. it's just that by episode 5 i've already lost all interest in the characters and could really care less about where they are going and how they will grow. especially that main protag dude with the kind of long hair that just stayed kind of silent and stoic for the whole series, he really pissed me off. |
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| I see the value in this series. But the approach taken in telling the story. The characters being unlikable. Finally the character design being unappealing. These points (insignificant as they are) are unfortunately why I can't enjoy this anime, I can appreciate it, but my enjoyment is compromised and therefore I may end up giving it a low score. The contents may be worth it, but the package is ugly and doesn't catch the eye. |
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| Even if it is a fresh breath of air that doesn't make it good. The anime industry with original, mind blowing and intelligent written projects is mostly dead and this title certainly didn't revive it It's like you haven't been able to eat any apples because pears have been so much cheaper to grow and sell and then you get this super mushy and soft apple that is kinda gross but you're like "oh well but IT'S AN APPLE! and I love apples". Don't lower your expectations just because the source material is getting scarce. |
idk why I was here but I'm prob back to playing Hunt: Showdown 1896 again when you read this |
| Most of the backlash that centers around the argument of pretentiousness doesn't seem genuine. It seems like most people here are equating being abstract with being pretentious; which is a silly foundation to stand on. I never found the show to be preachy or to look down on its audience. There's also the argument that it's boring or too slow. While I understand why some people might be put off by the pacing it's lost on me how anyone can look at this and say it's boring. Not to allude to anyone in particular but it does seem such an argument is akin to a child's complaint that because he isn't spending every waking moment at recess so thus school is boring. It's a bland observation that at this point means anything from they simply went with their first knee jerk reaction to a thorough examination. At the end of the day Sonny Boy has many flaws but I don't think there's where it's biggest detractor lays. It's the fact that it's shown in a climate where fans don't want anything avant garde or experimental. When over the past decade the core demographics has been conditioned that poorly made isekai's, generic shouens, and CGDCT shows are the gold standard when it comes to Anime. Where the lack of hand holding is meet with chaos. Even the better shows today include some amount of expository dialogue meant to reaffirm the narrative or plot for the audience's sake. In my opinion I think Sonny Boy is the epitome of animation. Sonny Boy is an imperfect show that dares to show you a world beyond your everyday Anime stereotypes and what Anime could be. |
Laz45 said: Me when I lie about my luxurious invisible robes. Excuse me while I get into my invisible jet, it's too far complex for you to actualize. Are you a broken record? Because I've seen that same sentiment parroted here like five times. By that logic every piece of abstract or surreal art found around the globe is pretentious because there is no singular innate message. Not that logic was even relevant with that analogy because the Emperors New Clothes is about swindling the gullible by taking advantage of their pride. Explain how watching an Anime is a scam and how are the production staff, studio, and producers profiting off it? Go on. Just a quick glance on this thread is clear that the most confident and loud posters are the ones that made up their minds and aren't open for discussion. How ironic that you're using a idiom that warns about being too prideful yet you and others can't even see the hubris of trying to silence other's opinions by reciting 18th century folktales. For real? |
LordLagannDec 11, 2021 3:48 PM
Laz45 said: I'm sorry you feel tbat way about my robes. They look pretty to me, might be too complex for your taste. Actually, no wait. I see it now. What a beautiful garment. Silly, smooth, and without a single crease. The perfect outfit for the perfect mind. |
| Wait so people really think this show pulled a I am toodeep4u? I guess midwits got confused trying to understand the setting, while completely ignoring the character drama. Just like people get confused by the sci-fi shit in EVA when most of it's just there to look cool rather than serve a narrative point, the criticism of useless shit taking up screen time is probably the most valid one in the thread everything else seems somehow more pretentious than Ulysees. It just seemed like all the nonsensical bits were tying into this idea of how growing up in the 21st century is one weird fucking experience where it's really hard to understand pretty basic every day things just because of the sheer amount. Imagine missing one of the best OST's this year because your little brain couldn't deal with the fact that there is something you don't understand. |
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MrHawky said: Wait so people really think this show pulled a I am toodeep4u? I guess midwits got confused trying to understand the setting, while completely ignoring the character drama. Just like people get confused by the sci-fi shit in EVA when most of it's just there to look cool rather than serve a narrative point, the criticism of useless shit taking up screen time is probably the most valid one in the thread everything else seems somehow more pretentious than Ulysees. It just seemed like all the nonsensical bits were tying into this idea of how growing up in the 21st century is one weird fucking experience where it's really hard to understand pretty basic every day things just because of the sheer amount. Imagine missing one of the best OST's this year because your little brain couldn't deal with the fact that there is something you don't understand. Tries to explain that this show isn't toodeep4u. Acts like a righteous dude on top of a high horse looking down on people for not liking his precious pretentious animu. |
Kimurah said: MrHawky said: Wait so people really think this show pulled a I am toodeep4u? I guess midwits got confused trying to understand the setting, while completely ignoring the character drama. Just like people get confused by the sci-fi shit in EVA when most of it's just there to look cool rather than serve a narrative point, the criticism of useless shit taking up screen time is probably the most valid one in the thread everything else seems somehow more pretentious than Ulysees. It just seemed like all the nonsensical bits were tying into this idea of how growing up in the 21st century is one weird fucking experience where it's really hard to understand pretty basic every day things just because of the sheer amount. Imagine missing one of the best OST's this year because your little brain couldn't deal with the fact that there is something you don't understand. Tries to explain that this show isn't toodeep4u. Acts like a righteous dude on top of a high horse looking down on people for not liking his precious pretentious animu. Huh not really? I am looking down on the people who think there might be something to get like when I saw people unironically posting about quantum physics. If you don't like the fact that the show focused on characters rather than the obviously non sensical setting that's perfectly reasonable. I am just saying that by reacting so negatively to something so ultimately miniscule in this particular show you are missing out on an OST that gives Megalo box 2 and EVA 3.0+0.1 OST's a good run for their money. |
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